tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18971399.post4379584046498486466..comments2023-10-31T13:02:05.452-04:00Comments on MuMin Bey AstroBlog: Ain't Mis-Behavin': An Open Letter To Maurice FernandezUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18971399.post-32188858237853109302008-05-22T16:42:00.000-04:002008-05-22T16:42:00.000-04:00Mumin, perhaps you can imagine a “scientific” adhe...Mumin, perhaps you can imagine a “scientific” adherent of the prevailing cult of empiricism snickering derisively at the Vedic astrologer who insinuates that the evolutionary astrologer is running a religious cult. Would you disagree with my suggestion that ALL forms of astrology involve necessary leaps of faith? (You could argue the same about all forms of “knowledge” of the world around us – the Jupiter principle…)<BR/><BR/>You are critical of MF for not maintaining your personal standard of stating up front your methodology and presuppositions. Perhaps there is actually a good reason for this: the nature and purpose of MF’s website is completely different from yours. Maurice is running a private school, which is a business. The purpose of his website is to interface with the general public, but his FORUM is primarily an adjunct to his teaching activities. If you want an in-depth look at evolutionary astrology, you could pay a few thousand dollars to enroll in his comprehensive seven-stage course, and then test for yourself if it works or not. Are you familiar with Jeff Green's Pluto books?<BR/><BR/>I imagine that from MF’s point of view (right or wrong), when you showed up at his forum, you were looking for “freebies” that you could criticize, disrupting a service (the EA forum) that he provides primarily for his paying customers. <BR/><BR/>If you are indeed a 39-year-old Sagittarius with Taurus Moon, then you have the ruler of your North Node (Mars) conjunct your South Node, and the ruler of your South Node (Eris) conjunct your North Node. This is an eye-catching “feedback loop” – a rather striking marriage of opposites – that would be an interesting subject to which to apply the principles of evolutionary astrology.<BR/><BR/>peace,<BR/>erisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18971399.post-76995710706636327992008-05-21T03:34:00.000-04:002008-05-21T03:34:00.000-04:00Hi Eris,While I can see your point I maintain my p...Hi Eris,<BR/>While I can see your point I maintain my position; at no point in my time there w/direct exchanges between myself and MF, did he specifically note any EA principles. Compare and contrast with this blogsite and the UOA where I constantly layout my positions and the basis on which they are based. Now, you and others may disagree with that, and many often do, but you can't say what I just did about MF. <BR/><BR/>My time w/him has given me the distinct impression that EA comes alot closer to a form of religion in its best light, and more like a cult in its worst. Being the free marketeer and free association advocate that I am, I would say that people should be free to do as they will with both their money and time. But that doesn't mean that I don't get to put the laser pointer on the foreheads of folks like Maurice Fernandez. I'll be keeping my eye on him and others. <BR/><BR/>It's time Astrology had a gut check. <BR/><BR/>Salaam<BR/>MuMu'Min M. Beyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13764965842337428939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18971399.post-75751761202591327802008-05-18T23:10:00.000-04:002008-05-18T23:10:00.000-04:00MuMin, I am inclined to disagree with some of your...MuMin, I am inclined to disagree with some of your statements about EA and about Maurice's forum in particular. <BR/><BR/>You write that "at no point in the direct exchanges between MF and myself, was he "teaching" any discernable EA principles."<BR/><BR/>Maurice often uses that forum to teach EA principles. Many forum members are current and former students of his. If you hang around there long enough, you begin to realize that there are ongoing dialogues, spanning multiple threads, about astrology in general and EA in particular.<BR/><BR/>"MF: The forum is not a place for political, social or any other form of debates. If you have ideas, articles, or views you would like to share or propose (not impose) - use the GENERAL FORUM."<BR/><BR/>Here the key phrase is "GENERAL FORUM." Maurice's forum is split into two parts; the EA forum and the general forum. I don't know if this relates to the specific posts between you and him, but with this instruction he is simply directing people to make their posts in the proper forum. <BR/><BR/>You write: "Note the totalitarian tone here - you cannot question anything, you must accept EA dogma without question, or you will shown the front door"<BR/><BR/>Once again, the place for topics not based on a presupposed acceptance of general EA principles is the GENERAL FORUM, where I have made and continue to make my share of controversial posts, sometimes directly criticizing Maurice if I see fit. For an example, just follow this link... http://www.mauricefernandez.com/forum_eng/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10050Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18971399.post-16249760849842132222008-04-27T02:02:00.000-04:002008-04-27T02:02:00.000-04:00Hi Melody,Yea, I kinda figured that out by the tim...Hi Melody,<BR/>Yea, I kinda figured that out by the time my foray into an EA's head came to a close, LOL! But it's cool. The world will not end, but it does give me a bit of insight into how EAs think, er, feel about things. Again, not saying that it should be run outta town on a rail, just saying that when it comes against some hardnosed questioning, it falls flat on its face. <BR/><BR/>But to each his or her, own...<BR/><BR/>Thanks again!<BR/><BR/>Salaam<BR/>MuMu'Min M. Beyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13764965842337428939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18971399.post-75492638119349299562008-04-27T02:00:00.000-04:002008-04-27T02:00:00.000-04:00Oh, and G, one more thing: you're right I am a bit...Oh, and G, one more thing: you're right I am a bit argumentative, but where I come from that ain't a crime, in fact it's something to be lauded. As I've told Fernandez and I repeat now, Astrology is chockfull of intuitives; it needs thinkers. I accept nothing on face value; everything is subjected to the acid test of reason, debate and questioning. It's far too easy for astrologers, especially of my generation and the ones coming along right now, to get sucked into romanitcized notions of "rightness" without thinking things through. That requires a rigorous process of debate and questioning, and guess what it will often be unpleasant because the very nature of debate and questioning is unpleasant. <BR/><BR/>But again, I thank you for your comments, you are most welcome to post them! Please stop by again.<BR/><BR/>Thanks.<BR/><BR/>Salaam<BR/>MuMu'Min M. Beyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13764965842337428939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18971399.post-80962277545806943782008-04-27T01:54:00.000-04:002008-04-27T01:54:00.000-04:00Hello "G",While you are certainly entitled to your...Hello "G",<BR/>While you are certainly entitled to your opinion, I take a differing view. You see, I've "listened" for a very long time; its only been in very recent years, most notably since the creation of this blog, that I've taken to the soapbox as it were. <BR/><BR/>Additionally, I find it very interesting that there are astrologers who's stock and trade is to be as vociferous, loud and boisterous, as possible, and no one, apparently including you, says absolutely nothing about that. Where is the condemnation of Astroworld.us? Jessica Murray rails on and on against the current administration, to say nothing of other astrologers, of which I can run off a list off the top of my head. Where's the excoriation, the calls for reflection and introspection? Ahh, but you see, they parrot views that are accepted in current day astrology circles, you see. So they don't count. <BR/><BR/>The problem isn't that I'm as vociferous, its that I'm vociferous about "the wrong things". So I've decided to add my voice to the astrologically colloquiy, by any means necessary. <BR/><BR/>And I will be heard. <BR/><BR/>Thanks for your comments!<BR/><BR/>Salaam<BR/>MuMu'Min M. Beyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13764965842337428939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18971399.post-23500776236736723172008-04-24T05:10:00.000-04:002008-04-24T05:10:00.000-04:00Hello Mr. Bey, I think you choose to look at the w...Hello Mr. Bey, <BR/>I think you choose to look at the word "Spiritual" the way you find it comfortable for your own needs.<BR/>To be "spiritual" has more meaning than what you think. <BR/>For me it's to respect others first, and to understand that there is a place for everybody on planet Earth. <BR/>You are considering yourself a controversial Astrologer, but is it really to learn or just screaming your opinion in order to get some attention?<BR/>If it was to learn, then listening is needed. but you are so busy in making yourself valid so you don't have time to listen and learn.<BR/>Have you ever tried to accept other people for who they are, or things that are not the way you think or live your life?<BR/>Have you ever asked yourself why you are being controversial by definition, and what need does it serve in your life?<BR/>Controversial people are all over. you are not unique in this category.even MF is controversial some would say. does it mean that he have to argue about every little thing? I don't think so.<BR/>What he know to do is to accept and forgive, so he gave you another chance to stay on the forum (the Forum that he created to teach his way of understanding Astrology), but you cannot accept Rules, or anything else that can prevent you from being "controversial". <BR/>This is of course the way I see what happened, and maybe for once you will read what other people have to say and ask yourself is it possible that they are right, and there is something for me to learn here, more then I really think?<BR/>You have a lot to say Mr. Bey, but sometimes all you have to do is just listen.<BR/>And I do send you my blessings, because we are all hear to learn from one another, not to waste time on fighting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18971399.post-47973470419222471032008-04-23T10:52:00.000-04:002008-04-23T10:52:00.000-04:00Mu, although I see and understand much of where yo...Mu, although I see and understand much of where you are coming from, as an “evolutionary” at heart, I would say that the chief premise is actually <I>not</I> “to be open to the wonderous possibilities of human manifestation, to be open and tolerant of all points of view, to be open to this, and to be open to that”. I’m not sure where that idea originated, but if I were to give a chief premise it would be that there is an underlying assumption that souls are journeying through time learning and growing (the evolutionary part) which of course relies on the idea of past lives. The chart is a representation of the evolutionary intentions of the soul coming into this life and so looks at the deeper question of “why?” we are here. This is the “spiritual” aspect in the sense it tackles the deeper questions vs. the mundane personality description. <BR/><BR/>However, what I have personally discovered because I give many readings to people who are not comfortable with the idea of reincarnation and past lives, is that the same principles apply to the womb and first three years experience, which I can easily interpret as being born with the energy that one leaves off with last relevant time around, if one needs to stay with the past life paradigm. I personally can take it or leave it just because we all know that time is only linear in this dimension and there is probably much much more to the story than we can grok with our limited understanding.Melody Scott Zindellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00748081570525411242noreply@blogger.com